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John 17:5

+ 17:5. MP: This prophecy is debated between Jewish and Christian interpretations. Jewish: Wisdom in Proverbs refers to Torah itself, and therefore God’s Wisdom revealed in Torah was before the creation in (Gen 1:1). Christian: Messiah is from everlasting, for he is the incarnate wisdom of God. Therefore wisdom in Proverbs refers to Messiah. OUSB Proposed: The two perspectives can be reconciled if Messiah is not wisdom itself, rather the fullness of the wisdom expressed in the Living Torah ·Teachings·. (Prov 8:22-23) (see also 1 Cor 1:24; Col 1:15-17) + 17:5. MP: Messiah is from everlasting just as Yahweh God is eternal. (Is 48:16b) Now, Abba ·Father familiar, Dear Dad·, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed.

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In The King James Version

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

In Context

4+ 17:4 (4-10) (context 17:4-24) MP: Messiah will ask God for His inheritance, the nations of the world. (Ps 2:8) + 17:4. MP: Messiah is God’s servant. (Zech 3:8) I glorified you on the earth. I have accomplished the work which you have given me to do.

6I revealed your name to the people whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me. They have kept your word.

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Cross References

Proverbs 8:22+ 8:22 (22-23) MP: This prophecy is debated between Jewish and Christian interpretations. Jewish: Wisdom in Proverbs refers to Torah itself, and therefore God’s Wisdom revealed in Torah was before the creation in (Gen 1:1). Christian: Messiah is from everlasting, for he is the incarnate wisdom of God. Therefore wisdom in Proverbs refers to Messiah. OUSB Proposed: The two perspectives can be reconciled if Messiah is not wisdom itself, rather the fullness of the wisdom expressed in the Living Torah ·Teachings·. (John 17:5, 17:24; 1 Cor 1:24; Col 1:15-17) “ Adonai possessed me in the beginning of his work, 2 before his deeds of old. 1

John 1:1+ 1:1 (1-3) MP: Messiah is creator of all. He is eternal and remains constant. (Ps 102:25-27a) + 1:1 (1-2) MP: Messiah is from everlasting just as Yahweh God is eternal. (Is 48:16b) + 1:1 (1-3) MP: Messiah is from everlasting, meaning He preexisted, “whose origins are far in the past, back in ancient times”. (Mic 5:2c) + 1:1 (1-14) MP: Messiah is God’s word sent forth to accomplish. (Zech 11:10-11b) B'resheet ·In the beginning of the beginning· was ha D'var ·the Word·, and ha D'var ·the Word· was with God, and ha D'var ·the Word· was God.

John 3:13+ 3:13. MPr: In context of describing the future time of universal peace under the Messianic Kingdom rein. (Zech 3:10 in Midrash Ps 122). (Zech 3:10) + 3:13 (13-15) MP: Statement and question, what is the name of “Son” of God. Consider in connection with (Ps 2:6-7) God’s King has become God’s son and (Ps 2:12) kiss the son / give reverence to the son lest he be angry and you perish. (See also 1 John 2:22-24). (Prov 30:4) No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.

John 10:30+ 10:30. MP: Messiah is both God and man. (Zech 12:10b) I and Abba ·Father familiar, Dear Dad· are one.”

John 17:24Abba ·Father familiar, Dear Dad·, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, + 17:24 b MP: See (MP in John 17:5 paired with Prov 8:22-23) that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you have agapao ·totally devoted love· for me from before the foundation of the world.

Matthew Henry on John 17:2-6

Christ's Intercessory Prayer. 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father,… Read the whole commentary →

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